Friday, February 1, 2013

Boys and Girls and James Bond and Q - My Secret Boyfriend ;-)

So.
I've been wanting to write about archetypes and fiction and a-hole guys that girls swoon over but make me gag, for a long time, but wasn't sure how...

So. I thought I'd start with James Bond.
Yeah... I didn't really follow my logic there either. BUT LOOK.

This is also why I'll never make a good romance writer - at least not a conventional one...

And now to sidestep the main topic, lol. Because I tend to do that in blog posts.
I write strong girls.
I write smart women and tough chicks (no, I do not mind the word "chick" lol) and the occasional tomboy. I write girls who are confused, but are still intelligent and driven.
This is who I write almost every time.
And I catch crap for it.
Every time.

What I often think is that if my character was a guy and behaved that way - no one would say anything, but they do because it's a girl (or in some cases simply b/c my character didn't resonate with that reader- I just wanted to show that I get that we don't all connect with every character in every book- of course).

HOW ARE WE STILL IN A PLACE THAT ALLOWS MEN TO BE MASCULINE STUDS AND WOMEN TO BE SHAMED, CALLED SLUTS OR DEEMED PROMISCUOUS?
Can you imagine the implications of a female who behaved as James Bond?
James Bond is a stud. She would be called a tough bitch. People may like her for it, but my guess is more would not. Am I totally off base here? Am I not seeing an equality out there that everyone else is? Or are we really still in the place I think we are?

I feel like we're still giving men license to sleep around or beat the shit out of someone b/c they looked at their girl wrong, and not only do we let them do it, but we swoon a little because his motives have something to do with the heroine. And on top of this remark comes the other thought that's only loosely tied in here, and that is all these smooth guys in YA love stories! Really? Were you IN high school? I mean, a few guys were smooth, but 95% were not. They were awkward, and shy and when they tried to be smooth it came off...not good. (I may do a whole post on this later and why I will always choose a Cricket over an Etienne (even though Etienne was really sweet and awesome) and if you don't know who Cricket and Etienne are, for the love of YA books go read Perkins)

In Falling, my MC (the girl) has a brief affair with a cop. She's early twenties. She's living as far away from home as she can get, and this hot guy is into her and says he's practically no longer married, and her whole purpose in moving away is to be young and have fun so she jumps in. YES, she learns a huge lesson from this mistake, which catapults her growth in the story forward.

I know some people have stopped reading at that point, which makes me wonder - if I'd been in the cop's head, and he was the "hero" of the story, and he was blowing off steam with a young married girl who said her marriage was practically over, and it led him to the girl of his dreams - would we judge him as harshly? If both people went into it knowing it was all for fun?
Have we not read books about total playboys who are with several (or many) women either after they've met the love interest or before, or maybe even WHILE they're with the love interest? And we still root for them to get together because (insert girly, dreamy voice here) he was screwing those other girls because he couldn't be with the one he wanted?
Would we do that if a girl was the one screwing around on the guy? Or if the woman was a total "manizer" if that's even a word? It's not a word. We use slut, or cougar, or, or, or, or...

No. This post is not in reaction to reviews, but more in reaction to a long list of books I've started, but couldn't finish. I feel like we've slipped back since I was in college (yes, in the nineties).

And then I feel like it's sad that in a community of writers and readers we're not forward-thinking enough to accept that not all women put up with crap like that, no matter how much they're loved by the controlling a-hole. That some women are that strong, and maybe we should try to relate to them... That some women are tough, smart, and do pretty well without the guy they love holding them up. And that they can still be as much in love without the NEED.

Man. I'm rambling.

I think my main point is that I see this double-standard all the time, and I hate it. And I'm going to keep writing girls that don't fall into any kind of archetype because as real people WE DO NOT always emulate a specific "type" of person. We're more complex than that... And I will never apologize for writing tough girls, or strange girls, or wicked smart girls, or guys who are shy or nice or nerdy ;-)

I apologize for the rambling mess, but this has been on my mind a lot lately...
And more so as I finish Seeker, which is told from the POV of a very tough, mature, driven young woman - because I KNOW I'm going to catch crap for that, but I refuse to turn her into a guy.

Do we have thoughts on this? Because generally when I ramble like this, y'all say it a LOT better and with a LOT fewer words than I do.
However, I'm pretty sure I'll be the only one using Craig and Ben ;-)

~ Jolene

P.S. I feel the need to throw in a disclaimer here, b/c as much as my husband likes Q, he'd rather be known as a James Bond, and for me, he's a pretty perfect mix of the two - only trade out Q's glasses for Bond's gun ;-)

17 comments:

Roxanne Galpin said...

I think that's why your writing resonates with so many, because you refuse to pigeon hole your characters.

Allie B. said...

I love you...


Just sayin...

Kyra Lennon said...

I'm thinking mostly about what you said about people not liking Falling because the MC has a fling with a cop - and I actually see this a LOT in fiction. If a female MC makes one mistake, she's suddenly stupid/evil, even though guys in books make the same mistakes and nobody minds.

I also see it a lot when freelancing. One of my friends writes relationship articles, and the amount of people who leap to ridiculous assumptions about her based on some of her topics is insane. Have people always been this judgmental?

sjp said...

But how uninteresting would the world be if it was full of smooth bad boys and swooning chicks? Who are the rest of us supposed to hang out with? So many of my friends get hassled for not having boyfriends, I doubt anyone complains when a guy is single. I can't imagine getting judged for writing such MCs and its good you stick to their character :)

Just ignore the double standards and kick arse, gender doesn't make the personality.

S.P. Bowers said...

I've never been a fan of the bad boy, or Bond for that matter. And yes, I've seen, and am annoyed by, the trend of these completely unrealistic teenage male characters. It's why I don't read much contemporary YA anymore.

Sarah said...

Such a great post!

I'm also glad that I'm not the only one who prefers Q to Bond.

Ben Whishaw is such a cutie!

Cassie Mae said...

This is so the reason why I write dorky guys. Because they are so much cuter than the smooth ones. (Go Cricket! LOL)

Jen Naumann said...

You make a great point with this post. I doubt society will ever get past this double standard. :(

Morgan said...

This is EXACTLY what I'm struggling with right now in my reading. And something I'm very much aware of as I'm doing my rewrite. It's maddening--all of this. And I'm too tired to go off on a rant, LOL.

But I think Ben is waaaaaay cuter... holy crap. He's beautiful...

Mary De Bastos said...

I have a serious thing for nerds. They're hot. I need a book with a hot nerd who gets the girl. Where is that book?!?!

I hate double standards. Why does everything have to be the same? I like to read about different kinds of people and situations.

Leigh Covington said...

You're awesome Jo! And I totally write touch, smart chicks too! That's my kind of girl and while I've tried to write a different type, I can't do it! O-well. Guys - I like a good mix of everything! That's the best :)

Suzi said...

I won't complain about your strong women!

So what books are the worst--that really bug you--for the a-hole guys that girls swoon over?

Sheena-kay Graham said...

I agree with you. I love James Bond as a hot spy but not a spy who I'd take as my (fantasy) boyfriend. He uses women, it's that simple but I admit I love James Bond movies anyway.

I'm also glad that you're not just saying they're not enough female characters with strength but that you also create them. Though I think in books right now there's this overabundance of the too strong girl type. The one that needs no help and must prove herself to the world so much even female readers says she needs to cool it a bit. There is such a thing as too much of a good thing.

Also I see nothing wrong with vulnerable girls. I enjoy the fact that you write such believable characters. Plus it's way better than some book pairings where a girl falls for a guy and it not only makes no sense but she always oohs and awws when he's being an ass. Seriously, is it Stockholm Syndrome minus the Stockholm and a dose of dunce on the Syndrome?

Just saying.

Ben Spendlove said...

I haven't watched a Bond movie in over a decade. But I completely agree about there being double standards.

Now for some reason this made me think of the differences between the tenth and eleventh Doctors.

LTM said...

omg, I'm totally like this. I'll pick the hot nerd over the hot bada** anyday. LOL! :D

But LALALALALALA!!!! Not reading that middle part of your post!!!

I'm reading FALLING right now, and LOVE!!! It is so so good! :D

P.S.
Funny story = I had a hard time getting into Etienne b/c I was all, "w/a dad like that, he's just going to grow up to be problems." ... *snort* :D overanalyze much? <3

Cindy C Bennett said...

Hold on while I finish my standing O for your post!

Tick, tick, tick, tick, etc...

Okay, done.

I had a similar conversation not so long ago with the newest Bond movie released. I've NEVER liked Bond for the single reason of him being celebrated for sleeping with anything that breathes. It's so not okay just because he's a "hot guy" (though I'm probably one of the minority who just doesn't see anything hot about Craig, but Ben... mmmm).

I think in books it takes all kinds of characters to make the world go round, so bring on the strong and the weak, both male and female, but please, please make them smarter by the end of the story.

Holly Letson said...

Let me be the one that says Craig isn't hot then. I do not think Craig is hot at all.

I do, however, think the nerdy-looking Ben Whisaw as Q is very handsome.